Francis-Tivey's-Marines-Record
Francis Tivey was born in Melbourne Derbyshire in 1810 and his tree can bee seen in Group 15 of L F Tivey's group. His parents are thought to be William Tivey and Ann Holmes. Evidence noted in Settlement Examination Papers for his Wife in 1841 suggest this. His wife quotes his date of birth as being 10 December 1810 at Melbourne, Derbyshire. An apprenticeship document for Francis also name his parents a William and Ann Tivey dated 1820's. Francis joined the 95th Regiment of Foot in April 1827 at Derby, despite being in the 4th year of his 8 year apprenticeship. It is not known if he had run away from his master or his master (Henry Fisher) had released him amicably. In 1829 he transferred service to the Royal Marines.
He married Martha Hancock in Pembrokeshire 1834, 3 children followed William Francis Tivey, Ellen Jane Tivey and James Henry Tivey. After retiring from service the family lived in Woolwich, Kent(J A TIVEY -2009-2014)
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Francis Tivey enlisted first with the 95th Regiment of Foot in 1827, before transferring to the Royal Marines in 1829. . While with the 95th Foot, he served with the Depot troops in Portsmouth/Gosport, although the main body of the regiment was stationed in Malta. After transferring to the Royal Marines, he served on the 18-gun sloop HMS Columbine in the West Indies from 1830 to 1834. He had a break of about six months, when he married in Pembroke, and his son William Francis Tivey may have been born about November 1835, apparently in the parish of Pater in Pembroke . In September 1835 Francis Tivey signed up in Portsmouth for HMS Harrier, which took him to South America in 1835-1839, a long stint away from home. This ship crossed to the Caribbean and then sailed south down the Atlantic coast of Brazil, Uruguay and Argentina, rounded Cape Horn, and then up the Pacific coast of Chile and Peru, returning by a similar route. After another break (eight months), in March 1840 he signed up for HMS Britannia, which was based in Malta with the eastern Mediterranean fleet. The ship's log is missing for some of this period, but it is possible to construct her whereabouts from the shipping reports in the Times. It seems she was not actively involved in engagements taking place off the Syrian coast at that time, but served mainly as a support vessel at Malta. There is a note in Britannia's muster books regarding an allotment of Francis Tivey's pay (authorised 1 April 1840). This indicates that part of his wages were to be paid directly to a dependant in England (usually wife or parent). Unfortunately the allotment registers for this ship for 1840 do not survive. In July 1841 Francis Tivey was taken ill in Malta and admitted to the Royal Naval Hospital there. HMS Britannia left for Corfu without him, and a few weeks later he got a passage home on HMS Dido, arriving back in Portsmouth on 18 August 1841. Two months later he joined HMS St Vincent, the flagship in Portsmouth Harbour. This was no doubt less arduous than being at sea and would have allowed him to spend time with his family. Some excitement was occasioned when this ship joined the squadron that escorted Queen Victoria and Prince Albert's Royal Yacht on a trip to Belgium in September 1843. Unfortunately the musters for the St Vincent do not survive for this period, so we cannot be sure Francis Tivey was on board at the time. His discharge papers state that he did two stints on this ship, with a seven-month break between, and that he finally left her on 23 Sep 1843. At that date she was moored in Cork, Ireland. There has been no further information on him until 10 May 1844, when he was admitted from the Portsmouth HQ to the Haslar Hospital in Gosport. After six weeks in hospital he was deemed "unserviceable" and was discharged from the Royal Marines on 23 June 1844. The Portsmouth Discharge Book gives his age then as 36 years 2 months. This cannot be relied upon 100% but may help pinpoint his birth date. There are no records of a formal re-enlistment at either Portsmouth or Woolwich. There was extensive recruiting of troops at this period, both for the Crimea and for India, but it is in doubt whether he would have re-entered active service at this stage, especially given his previous ill-health. It may be that he was instead employed informally on light duties in the Woolwich/Greenwich area.
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Year |
Date |
Ship/Unit |
Event |
Source |
Remarks |
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1827 |
18 Apr |
95th Foot |
Attested in Derby |
1 |
age 17 |
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2 May |
Sent to Leeds |
2 |
on paybooks from 8 May at 1s. per day |
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22 June |
Marched to Sunderland |
2 |
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27 June |
Embarked on ship Flora for Portsmouth |
2 |
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8 July |
Arrived Portsmouth |
2 |
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July - Dec |
Portsmouth |
2 |
serving with Depot troops 7th Coy. |
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1828 |
Jan - Mar |
Portsmouth |
2 |
in hospital 3 days |
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Apr - Dec |
Fort Monkton, Gosport |
2 |
in hospital 16 days |
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1829 |
Jan - Sep |
Fort Monkton, Gosport |
2 |
in hospital 6 days |
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26 Sep |
Enlisted in 2nd Div. Royal Marines, Portsmouth |
2, 3 |
Private, age 19 |
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1830 |
10 June |
HMS Columbine |
Joined crew of HMS Columbine, Portsmouth |
4 |
Private (3rd class), age 20 |
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Sep |
Sailed for West Indies, arrived Jan 1831 |
5, 6 |
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1831 |
Jan - Dec |
West Indies service |
5, 6 |
see Note 1 |
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1832 |
Jan - July |
West Indies service + Canada |
5, 6 |
see Notes 1, 2 |
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Aug |
Halifax, Nova Scotia, for repairs and refit |
5, 6 |
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Sep - Oct |
Cruising along coast of Canada |
5, 6 |
see Note 2 |
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Nov - Dec |
West Indies service |
5, 6 |
see Note 1 |
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1833 |
Jan - Mar |
West Indies service |
5, 7 |
see Note 1 |
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Apr - May |
Halifax, Nova Scotia |
5, 7 |
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June - Aug |
Exercising off coast of Canada |
5, 7 |
see Note 2 |
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Sep |
Departed Port Royal, Jamaica, for England |
5, 7 |
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1834 |
Feb |
Arrived Sheerness |
5, 7 |
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12 Mar |
Crew paid off at Sheerness |
4, 5, 7 |
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1835 |
24 Sep |
HMS Harrier |
Joined crew at Portsmouth |
4, 8 |
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5 Nov |
Sailed for South America |
9 |
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31 Dec |
Arrived Rio de Janeiro |
9 |
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1836 |
South American service |
9 |
see Note 3; 7 yrs service completed 26 Sep |
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1837 |
South American service |
see Note 3 |
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1838 |
South American service |
see Note 3 |
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1839 |
8 May |
Departed Rio de Janeiro for England |
9 |
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10 July |
Arrived Spithead |
9 |
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18 July |
Crew paid off at Portsmouth |
4, 9 |
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1840 |
13 Mar |
HMS Britannia |
Joined crew at Portsmouth |
4, 10 |
pay allotment authorised 1 Apr |
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[Ship's log missing 1 Oct 1840 - 31 May 1841] |
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18 Dec |
Arrived Malta |
see Note 4 |
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1841 |
Jan - May |
Eastern Mediterranean service |
see Note 4 |
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31 May |
Returned to Malta |
10, 11 |
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3 July |
Admitted to Royal Naval Hospital, Malta |
10, 12 |
diarrhoea |
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22 July |
Discharged to HMS Dido for passage home |
12, 13 |
mustered as supernumerary, invalid |
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17 Aug |
HMS Dido |
Arrived Spithead |
13, 14 |
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18 Aug |
Disembarked Portsmouth, crew paid off |
4, 13, 14 |
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15 Oct |
HMS St Vincent |
Joined crew at Portsmouth |
4 |
see Note 5 |
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Oct - Dec |
Portsmouth Harbour |
15 |
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1842 |
Jan - Nov |
Portsmouth Harbour |
15 |
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8 Nov |
Discharged at Portsmouth |
4, 15 |
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1843 |
16 Jun |
HMS St Vincent |
Rejoined crew at Portsmouth |
4, 15 |
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20 Aug |
Channel coast east to South Foreland |
15 |
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12 Sep |
Channel |
15 |
in squadron escorting Royal Yacht to France |
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23 Sep |
Arrived Ireland, FT discharged in Cork? |
15 |
see Note 6 |
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1844 |
10 May |
Portsmouth |
Admitted to Haslar Hospital, Gosport |
16 |
rheumatism, diarrhoea; admitted from HQ |
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23 June |
Discharged from the service |
4, 16, 17, 25 |
age 36y 2m according to Discharge Book |
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4 July |
Awarded Greenwich pension |
17, 18 |
served 16y 2m 12d, Life pension £12 4s. per yr |
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conduct and character Good; see also Note 7 |
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July - Dec |
Pension paid at Portsmouth |
19 |
out-pension No. 2636 |
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1845 |
Jan - June |
Pension paid at Portsmouth |
19 |
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1 July |
Woolwich |
Pension paid at Woolwich |
20 |
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1846 |
1 Jan |
Pembroke |
Pension paid in West Wales |
21 |
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1851 |
1July |
Deptford |
Pension paid at Deptford |
22 |
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1852 |
4 June |
Woolwich |
William Francis Tivey attested for Royal
Marines |
23 |
4th Div. 28th Coy. as Drummer, age 16y 7m |
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1853 |
24 Jan |
William Francis Tivey discharged |
23, 24 |
"incapable of learning his duties"; see Note 8 |
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1854 |
2 Feb |
Deptford |
Pension suspended, Francis rejoined service |
22 |
see Note 9 |
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Sources at the National Archives, Kew 1 Royal Marines' Attestation Forms (Portsmouth)
1828-1829 5 Ships' Logs HMS Columbine 1833-1836 1835-1839; 10 ADM 102/542 Hospital Musters - Malta 1841 ADM 51/3737 Ships' Logs HMS St Vincent
1841-1844 Applicants for Out-Pensions 1844 Out-Pensions (Portsmouth) 1842-1852 Out-Pensions (West Wales) 1842-1852 Description Book (Woolwich) 1818-1868 Book (Portsmouth) 1845-1851 |
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Notes |
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1 |
West Indies: Puerto Rico, Jamaica, Barbados,
Antigua, Martinique, Dominica, St Lucia, St Vincent,
Demerara, Virgin Islands, Chagres, Nicaragua |
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2 |
Canada: Halifax, St Johns, Prince Edward
Island, Gaspe, Douglas, Mingan |
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3 |
South America: Rio de Janeiro, Sao Paulo,
Bahia, Maceio, Montevideo, Santiago, Valparaiso, Callao,
Islay, Arica |
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4 |
Eastern Mediterranean: Malta, Marmoris, support
for ships engaged in action off Syrian coast (as
reported in The Times, Jan - May 1941) |
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5 |
HMS St Vincent served as the flagship for
Portsmouth Harbour. Muster books are missing |
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6 |
HMS St Vincent moored at Cork on discharge date |
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7 |
Marching money paid to Derby via London 172
miles (17 days) 18s. 5d; family allowance (wife £1 1s.
6d, 3 children £2 3s.) total £3 4s. 6d |
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8 |
Attestation/discharge papers have him born in
the parish of Pater, Pembroke, about Nov 1835 |
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9 |
No re-enlistment record found for Royal Marines in Portsmouth or Woolwich 1854-1871 |
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